Magazine Scans Give Additional Views of MP Ginrai and MPG Super Ginrai
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 1st, 2024 @ 4:41am CDT
Also, it look great overall.
I preordered my MPG-09 Super Ginrai at Age 3 & Up. This way, I saved around 80$CAN despite the base price being around 50$CAN more expensive at A3U compared to Amazon.jp. The free shipping and a single tax make a HUGE difference for this here Québécois.
Posted by Brokebot on May 1st, 2024 @ 5:39am CDT
It's good to see they fixed the irritating proportion and articulation issues, but they unfortunately kept the false front. While this is a vast improvement, It just doesn't seem like enough of an improvement to blow half the grocery bill on. I'm still recovering from Raiden.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 1st, 2024 @ 7:46am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on May 1st, 2024 @ 9:26am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.
I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.
As for the figure itself (the full super robot that is), I'm slowly coming around to it. I have a serious soft spot for Powermaster Prime. I still prefer the look of FansHobby Power Baser but this is slowly winning me over.
~ Grim
Posted by First-Aid on May 1st, 2024 @ 10:14am CDT
Big Grim wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.
I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.
~ Grim
This.
Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).
Posted by Sabrblade on May 1st, 2024 @ 11:14am CDT
Red eyes = toy-Kanrabat- wrote:Which one is the "toon" head and the "toy" head?
Blue eyes = toon
Not the same cartoon. This is Masterforce, which wasn't error-ridden like the G1 cartoon was.Big Grim wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.
I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.
The cab torso as is was how the animation model was designed because of how the toy was designed.
For reference:
Posted by angtre on May 1st, 2024 @ 11:15am CDT
First-Aid wrote:Big Grim wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.
I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.
~ Grim
This.
Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).
Same, here. Most recent MP toys are just bland. I got 8 MP-11 variants and I like the extra detail they put into robot mode, while I won't ever consider buying a MP-52 one, even if it were a different Seeker. When Skids came out, I was hoping they ditched the bland cartoon looks, yet unfortunately it was one of a kind (well, not counting its variants).
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 1st, 2024 @ 12:03pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on May 1st, 2024 @ 12:05pm CDT
angtre wrote:First-Aid wrote:Big Grim wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.
I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.
~ Grim
This.
Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).
Same, here. Most recent MP toys are just bland. I got 8 MP-11 variants and I like the extra detail they put into robot mode, while I won't ever consider buying a MP-52 one, even if it were a different Seeker. When Skids came out, I was hoping they ditched the bland cartoon looks, yet unfortunately it was one of a kind (well, not counting its variants).
I'm not really sure what either of you would want from Ginrai then. We have both a cartoon accurate option and a toy accurate option, there are no other options left. There's no real world equivalent here and making a new design that give's Ginrai Godmaster engine abs and no "false chest" would be a no-go in the Masterpiece line, you'd only see that in Generations (not after they got lambasted for MP-03 nearly 20 years ago).
Emerje
Posted by Sabrblade on May 1st, 2024 @ 12:08pm CDT
And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.Emerje wrote:angtre wrote:First-Aid wrote:Big Grim wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.
I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.
~ Grim
This.
Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).
Same, here. Most recent MP toys are just bland. I got 8 MP-11 variants and I like the extra detail they put into robot mode, while I won't ever consider buying a MP-52 one, even if it were a different Seeker. When Skids came out, I was hoping they ditched the bland cartoon looks, yet unfortunately it was one of a kind (well, not counting its variants).
I'm not really sure what either of you would want from Ginrai then. We have both a cartoon accurate option and a toy accurate option, there are no other options left. There's no real world equivalent here and making a new design that give's Ginrai Godmaster engine abs and no "false chest" would be a no-go in the Masterpiece line, you'd only see that in Generations (not after they got lambasted for MP-03 nearly 20 years ago).
Emerje
And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.
Posted by First-Aid on May 1st, 2024 @ 12:11pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.Emerje wrote:angtre wrote:First-Aid wrote:Big Grim wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.
I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.
~ Grim
This.
Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).
Same, here. Most recent MP toys are just bland. I got 8 MP-11 variants and I like the extra detail they put into robot mode, while I won't ever consider buying a MP-52 one, even if it were a different Seeker. When Skids came out, I was hoping they ditched the bland cartoon looks, yet unfortunately it was one of a kind (well, not counting its variants).
I'm not really sure what either of you would want from Ginrai then. We have both a cartoon accurate option and a toy accurate option, there are no other options left. There's no real world equivalent here and making a new design that give's Ginrai Godmaster engine abs and no "false chest" would be a no-go in the Masterpiece line, you'd only see that in Generations (not after they got lambasted for MP-03 nearly 20 years ago).
Emerje
And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.
There are enough little details to make SG more distinctive than most of the MP figures we've seen recently. I'm debating him currently...it's a case of either buy him or replace my Korg Triton LE on my keyboard rig.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 1st, 2024 @ 1:50pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.
And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.
Wait, what are you talking about?
TR/Legends did not have the inner robot, and the bigger robot had the real chest, and the real cab as the real chest was lambasted?
And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
And And, Siege Galaxy Prime transformed wrong to begin with, the Cybertron Primes robot mode having main window shoulders and side window chests, so I would hardly call those fake, and it was done that way because of the inner prime transformation to match G1 and not Cybertron because of the base mold used. Different transformation schemes for similar but different results. Galaxy just shot the middle.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 1st, 2024 @ 1:55pm CDT
People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Posted by First-Aid on May 1st, 2024 @ 2:09pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?
Posted by Sabrblade on May 1st, 2024 @ 2:12pm CDT
Missing Link?First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?
Posted by Glyph on May 1st, 2024 @ 2:42pm CDT
Sorry. Please don't kill me.
Posted by kirbenvost on May 1st, 2024 @ 2:53pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on May 1st, 2024 @ 3:23pm CDT
Glyph wrote:I don't like Missing Link. They just look weird, Legacy are way better for updating G1 designs.
Sorry. Please don't kill me.
I'm a doctor, not an executioner...
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 1st, 2024 @ 4:47pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?
It's been a while since I pulled this one out:
Sabrina-Online #397: "You must be this geeky to ride the ride"
And just 'cause:
Sabrina-Online #696: "We'll call him 'Babies McStrawman'"
Back to Ginrai with the fake chest; it's accurate to the original toy, the cartoon went with it, that's you need to know.
Posted by Dino-Snarl on May 1st, 2024 @ 7:59pm CDT
Posted by JDarkwulf on May 1st, 2024 @ 9:50pm CDT
Now I want to back-upgrade my old Prime with a G1 Godbomber.
At this price point I have resisted picking up Super Ginrai even though I really like the look of it, but if they went the extra mile and made a God Ginrai package, I'd probably fold in a minute.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 1st, 2024 @ 10:35pm CDT
Frank Welker's vocal talent?First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?
Posted by kurthy on May 5th, 2024 @ 10:46pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.
Everyone hated PMOP and the legends ginrai for having no inner robot. And legends ginrai was also hated for those godawful feet.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 5th, 2024 @ 11:04pm CDT
D-Max was talking about both the original 1988 toy and this new MPG one.kurthy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.
Posted by kurthy on May 5th, 2024 @ 11:16pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:D-Max was talking about both the original 1988 toy and this new MPG one.kurthy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.
No this was all about titans return/legends and the siege galaxy prime.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.
And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.
Wait, what are you talking about?
TR/Legends did not have the inner robot, and the bigger robot had the real chest, and the real cab as the real chest was lambasted?
And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
And And, Siege Galaxy Prime transformed wrong to begin with, the Cybertron Primes robot mode having main window shoulders and side window chests, so I would hardly call those fake, and it was done that way because of the inner prime transformation to match G1 and not Cybertron because of the base mold used. Different transformation schemes for similar but different results. Galaxy just shot the middle.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 5th, 2024 @ 11:31pm CDT
Each of those lines is about a different subject. The first was talking about the TR/Legends toy and the third was about the Siege Galaxy Prime, yes. But that middle one of his that you first quoted above was talking about the original 1988 toy and this MPG one, with the clues being the words "always" and "as seen here".kurthy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:D-Max was talking about both the original 1988 toy and this new MPG one.kurthy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?
Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.
No this was all about titans return/legends and the siege galaxy prime.
Posted by kurthy on May 6th, 2024 @ 12:16am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Each of those lines is about a different subject. The first was talking about the TR/Legends toy and the third was about the Siege Galaxy Prime, yes. But that middle one of his that you first quoted above was talking about the original 1988 toy and this MPG one, with the clues being the words "always" and "as seen here".
So what are you, not D max, actually trying to say people lambasted Hasbro for with Titans Return PMOP?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 6th, 2024 @ 4:40am CDT
kurthy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Each of those lines is about a different subject. The first was talking about the TR/Legends toy and the third was about the Siege Galaxy Prime, yes. But that middle one of his that you first quoted above was talking about the original 1988 toy and this MPG one, with the clues being the words "always" and "as seen here".
So what are you, not D max, actually trying to say people lambasted Hasbro for with Titans Return PMOP?
I dunno if "most people" complained, but I personally did. Even if TR Powermaster Optimus Prime was a basically a good toy, it was just a retool of CW Leader Ultra Magnus and the fact that it was a headmaster was all wrong. Plus, the Godbomber that Takara made for their own TR Ginrai / Velocitron PM Prime was weak and made for a very unstable super bot.
As for POTP Leader Optimus, the only true flaw was the weak point in Orion Pax's hips. Appart that, I found that figure absolutely brilliant. I still have it along the Nemesis version.
Going back to the original G1 version, the small Optimus was justified in having a fake chest. A fake chest made with two big stickers. It never bothered me that much because the super bot was always amazing. Plus the Apex Armor / God Bomber made for a SOLID ultimate bot. I have the Hasbro reissue of the Super Ginrai w God Bomber set (got for cheap, 100% complete) and I have the exclusive Takara BLACK version of Super Ginrai (that cost me a freaking fortune.) These are among my favorite G1 toys ever.
Posted by Emerje on May 6th, 2024 @ 5:17am CDT
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